Modernize or Die Podcast #242: Recap, Transcript and Resources!

In this episode of the Modernize or Die Podcast, hosts Daniel Garcia and Jacob Beers, both Senior Developers at Ortus Solutions, share the latest updates: the upcoming ColdBox 8 release, the new Box AI module, and BoxLang 1.6. They also discuss insights from the CF Summit 2025, strategies for modernizing legacy systems, and the importance of community support through Patreon.

Learn how AI is transforming software development, the performance and documentation improvements in BoxLang, and tips for developers looking to stay up-to-date with modern tools.

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Show Notes & Overview

Hosts:

• Daniel Garcia - Senior Developer at Ortus Solutions
• Jacob Beers - Senior Developer at Ortus Solutions

Summary

In this episode of the Modernize or Die Podcast, hosts Daniel Garcia and Jacob Beers discuss the latest updates from Ortus Solutions, including the upcoming ColdBox version 8 “The Ocho”, the new Box AI module, and the release of BoxLang version 1.6. They also share insights from the recent CF Summit 2025, strategies for modernizing legacy systems, and the importance of community support through Patreon. The episode highlights the significance of AI integration in software development and the ongoing efforts to enhance developer tools and resources.

Takeaways

• Ortus Solutions has been driving innovation in software development for years, building tools that empower developers worldwide.
• ColdBox version 8 “The Ocho” is set to bring exciting new features, including native BoxLang support and lots of surprises.
• The importance of using environment variables for application portability is emphasized.
• AI integration is becoming essential in modern software development, as seen with the Box AI module.
• BoxLang version 1.6 includes significant performance improvements and enhanced documentation.
• The CF Summit 2025 was a success, with attendees experiencing information overload from valuable content.
• Modernization of legacy systems requires careful planning and support from experienced teams.
• Community engagement through Patreon is crucial for sustaining open-source initiatives.
• The upcoming ColdFusion security training by Pete Freitag is highly recommended for developers.
• The hosts encourage participation in events like Into The Box for networking and learning opportunities.

Resources

Sponsor of the Episode: ForgetBox

• https://forgebox.io/view/bx-ai

Ortus News / Products

• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/ortus-state-of-our-products-recap
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/coldbox-free-tip-6
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/coldbox-free-tip-7-environment-environment-variable
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/coldbox-free-tip-8-which-coldbox-version-am-i-using

Ortus Services

• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/5-proven-steps-to-modernize-your-legacy-coldfusion-systems
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/urgent-project-heres-how-you-can-have-a-devops-engineer-by-tomorrow
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/security-first-why-a-coldfusion-audit-should-be-step-zero-of-any-modernization
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/from-chaos-to-cadence-how-on-demand-devops-standardizes-your-cicd-in-30-days
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/coldfusion-2018-2021-end-of-support-what-happens-if-you-dont-move-now

Community Spotlight

• https://www.raymondcamden.com/2025/09/20/testing-with-boxlang
• https://www.raymondcamden.com/2025/09/15/integrating-algolia-with-boxlang

BoxLang Updates

• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/boxlang-v160-performance-ai-powered-docs-and-advanced-async-monitoring
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/is-your-legacy-platform-holding-you-back-6-fixes-only-boxlang-delivers
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/boxlang-the-team-behind-the-revolution
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/boxlang-cloud-servers?utm_source=chatgpt.com

CFML Updates

• https://www.petefreitag.com/blog/coldfusion-summit-2025/
• https://blog.mattclemente.com/2025/09/12/claude-cfml-wrapper-with-claude-code/
• https://blog.mattclemente.com/2025/09/24/claude-cfml-update-with-claude-code/
• https://www.bennadel.com/blog/4836-coldfusion-custom-tags-should-have-an-end-tag-for-clarity.htm
• https://www.mycfml.com/articles/customtag-cfscript-nuance/

Ortus & BoxLang Events

• https://foundeo.com/consulting/coldfusion/security-training/
• https://Intothebox2026.eventbrite.com
• https://www.intothebox.org
• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/call-for-speakers-into-the-box-2026
• https://cfcasts.com/series/into-the-box-2025
• https://hacktoberfest.com/

Ortus and BoxLang September Recap 2025:

• https://www.ortussolutions.com/blog/ortus-boxlang-september-recap-2025

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Transcript

Full transcript available below:

Daniel Garcia

Hello and welcome everybody to the Modernize or Die Podcast. This is episode number 242. Today is October 7th, 2025. My name is Daniel Garcia. I am a senior developer here at Ortus Solutions and I am joined by...

Jacob Beers

Jacob Beers, I'm also a Senior Developer at Ortus Solutions.

Daniel Garcia

Fantastic.

We are excited to be here. It's October already.

How are you doing, Jacob?

Jacob Beers

I'm doing good. Yep.

Daniel Garcia

Nice. Okay.

Let's jump in and talk about Ortus news. So the first thing we want to get to is the summary. We have a state of our products recap. They said, talks about what we've been up to or different products. Just recapping, the Coldbox 19th Anniversary, celebrating right now. We've got some other things we're going to be talking about soon. I think, Jacob, you were saying today is, it's either today or this week is a special anniversary of.

Jacob Beers

Our Ortus Solutions YouTube channel.

Daniel Garcia

Ortus Solutions YouTube channel and it's how old today?

Jacob Beers

It looks like 11 years.

Daniel Garcia

11, Ortus YouTube goes to an 11, woo! Spinal tap. And anyway, so we're excited. We've been around, well, Ortus has been around a lot longer than that, but the YouTube channel has been around for 11 years. Next up, we also have the Ortus and BoxLang September recap.

About what's new in ContentBox, some of the ColdBox tips and tricks. I guess we can never get around to getting Brad to write that book. 172 CommandBox ColdBox tips and tricks.

We got them out there for you.

Some BoxLang news updates. What's doing, we're talking about some of that coming up here and, but yeah, that's definitely lets you catch up. So exciting. ColdBox version eight. We talked about this last episode with Luis. ColdBox version eight. The Ocho is officially coming soon. I don't know the release date. Have you heard when that's coming exactly, Jacob?

Jacob Beers

No, I don't, I don't know the specific release date, but I know that I'm very excited about it.

Daniel Garcia

Me too. ColdBox eight, the Ocho. I think one of the big improvements is native BoxLang support where you don't have to have the CFML compat module.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, I have heard that.

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

And, um, some, you know, docs, WireBox, all the good stuff that we always do with every release and CB Wire five is getting released soon. I don't know when. I didn't miss it, did I?

Jacob Beers

I don't believe so.

Daniel Garcia

I don't think so. I'd be kind of embarrassed and I don't want to get a side eye from Grant. Next time I see him, it's like, uh-huh.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, not out yet. Nope. I will say, going back to the ColdBox thing though, the 8.0 snapshot is available on ForgeBox. So if you wanted to try it out, you could update to that temporarily and see how it works in your app. Get a little bit of a head start.

Daniel Garcia

But not out yet. Okay, well, why you.

Nice. Nice. There's, you can either specify at snapshot or is it at bleeding edge?

Jacob Beers

I think you can actually do both. So you can try ColdBox at BE and that will just use the latest one or you can specifically point it to the 8.0 snapshot if you want to give that a shot.

Daniel Garcia

Nice.

Yep. Yeah. Usually if you're just messing around locally, bleeding edge is fun because you're always getting the latest no matter what. But, don't do that in production. You don't want to have bleeding edge in production and realize something got pushed that wasn't properly tested for your environment locally. And so, yeah.

So what do we have coming up here? We've got the ColdBox tips and tricks. You want to tell us about those?

Jacob Beers

All right, sounds good. Yeah, we've got some awesome tips and tricks series that have been coming out on our blog. They range across all kinds of different topics. It's a little bit like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get, but it's always delicious. So I've been reading through those every time I get a chance to, and it's one, a really great refresher if you already know it, but every now and then you find a little edge case that you weren't familiar with. So definitely go and check those out.

Daniel Garcia

Nice. And then did you do the second one? You said.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, so we've had a couple come out. So the first one was routing with wildcard domains. So if you're familiar with the ColdBox router, it's extremely powerful, very flexible, and this goes into some of the features for that part of ColdBox. And then our second tip is environment variable usage, which if you're not using environment variables, I'm sure most developers at this point have heard of them, but if you haven't started using them, they can add a lot of portability to your application.

To make it easy to configure in different environments. So definitely go check that out and see how easy that is in a ColdBox application.

Daniel Garcia

There's probably going to be another free tip number eight blog post coming out today, this afternoon, according to our marketing team. So.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

Look for that. That'd be exciting.

So some services we're really quick to talk about. We've got some blog posts about proven steps to modernize your legacy ColdFusion Systems. If you have an urgent project, here's how you can have a DevOps engineer by tomorrow. And it's probably talking about engaging Ortus and we can help you with things. We've got some talks about, you know, security first, why you should always do an audit at the start of any modernization project.

If you want to upgrade and modernize, we love it, we support it, that's what we want you to do, but you need to do an audit first. We have another on how to do on-demand DevOps, standardize your CI/CD, as well as, you know, ColdFusion 2018 and 21 is going to be coming to the end of support and what happens if you don't move.

And so, tell us a little bit about today's, I know our sponsor is Ortus Solutions as always, but today it's got another, something a little extra special. Cause I know this is something you really like, Jacob. Do you want to tell us who's sponsoring today's episode?

Jacob Beers

Yeah,

Today we are sponsored by the illustrious Box AI module. So this is an official first-party BoxLang module that brings AI integration into BoxLang to help you power your application with AI, which in the tech world these days, we can't go more than 30 minutes without saying the word AI.

Daniel Garcia

I said how it's pronounced.

Jacob Beers

You

Maybe.

Daniel Garcia

And you've actually played around with some of this stuff. You built a permanent proof of the concept once for this.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, I've had the opportunity to be a small contributor to this project, so that's pretty exciting. And it's really Luis' baby. He's been going crazy with it. But there's a lot of really great tools in there to be able to integrate with different AI providers, you know, Gemini, OpenAI, Claude, so on, so forth. And then we also have some of the more advanced concepts like tool usage.

Things for RAG, stuff like that.

Daniel Garcia

Nice. So if you haven't played around with AI, I hear BoxLang makes it very easy for you to do that.

Jacob Beers

Yep, it absolutely does.

Daniel Garcia

Getting into the BoxLang news. Version BoxLang 1.6 is out. Woo hoo. I need sound effects. Do we have sound effects?

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm. Very exciting.

Yeah, we need a macro pad so you can instantly pull up all those crazy radio host sounds.

Daniel Garcia

Well, here we go.

BoxLang 1.6 is out.

Jacob Beers

There you go.

Daniel Garcia

Yeah, see, we're stepping up our game.

And so what are some of the new things in BoxLang 1.6?

Jacob Beers

Man, so much stuff. We've actually got a blog post that covers all of this stuff. So you should go there and get it straight from the horse's mouth. But I'll kind of summarize it for you here. So we've got improved documentation, actually integration into the editor. We've released, partnered with a service that makes our BoxLang documentation accessible via an MCP.

Gotta mention the AI integration. So now you can get better documentation available to your AI chat buddy and help you while you're programming a BoxLang application. We've also made some significant performance improvements. The call out here on the article actually says up to 65% faster in some use cases. We've just been going through the runtime and...

Profiling it over and over and over again as we're running and making each little incremental change that we can. And those have been piling up to make the runtime much faster than it was before. So that's super exciting.

We've got some advanced monitoring for async processes using our new Box Executor health checks. They can help you when you're doing async programming and figuring out all of the complexity that's going on there. We've also got a new mini console framework for an enhanced REPL experience. So if you are a REPL user, you'll find that really exciting.

And module public mapping support. I don't actually know what this is. This is a new thing to me. So we're finding out about it at the same time.

Daniel Garcia

Say go read the blog article. There's so much in there. It's a pretty significant release. I feel like we say that with every release, but this one really is like more significant than som Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

So check that out. Also, so next up we've got a blog post about, is your legacy platform holding you back?

Your legacy platform is holding you back, six fixes that only BoxLang delivers. Go ahead and post that. And do you want to talk about that while I post it?

Jacob Beers

Yeah, you know, I think, you know, full disclosure, this is our sales pitch for why you should be using BoxLang. But if I do say so myself, it's a pretty good sales pitch. Honestly, every time or obviously every time that you're looking at potential choices for your software future, you're going to want to make sure that you're making a good decision. And so we've tried to lay out some of the things that we think make BoxLang an obvious choice. So there's

There's six things there, and honestly, they're all really great points. Things from, you know, we're a very software developer-oriented company, right? And so we try to make that, we try to come up with contracts and pricing plans that make sense for the developers and for the company. We don't want to penalize you for your software being successful. So the first point we have is no more penalties for growth.

And we cut costs without cutting performance. Modern ecosystem migrations without headaches and a lot of great stuff like that. So please check that out and see what we're all about.

Daniel Garcia

Yep. And then going along with that, when you modernize your apps, you're doing it with a team that supports you every step of the way.

We've got a proven track record for success. You see us all over the place. Some of us you see more often than others. The Brad's like everywhere. I don't know when he sleeps. You've got a problem. We'll listen. We'll solve it. We'll see what we can do.

Now we're very reactive with you. And so that is something that we take a lot of pride in. If you watch our socials, especially on Facebook, that we posted some profiles and some of the team members. But yeah, we asked that if you want to become a pioneer, you get some special pricing and kind of get in on still, it's still kind of the ground floor, I think, Jacob.

On getting ahead of the curve on what we do and what we offer and getting some nice discounts and getting us in there for you. I like to think that Ortus has a really good reputation for building great products and offering great support. And we're just still doing what we do with BoxLang.

Jacob Beers

I agree. Yeah.

Daniel Garcia

All right. And

So that's my sales pitch. So a little bit left here with the BoxLang. Going to the community, we got Ray Camden. He's got a couple of blog posts. One is about 'Testing with BoxLang' and the other is about integrating Algolia with BoxLang.

So with the testing with BoxLang, he's just talking about getting things set up with BoxLang, how he sets his app up, how he does his basic testing using TestBox. If you never use TestBox, it's a pretty simple setup on what he talks through. It gives lots of code examples and you can see how he does it all. And if you've been using TestBox with ColdBox with

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

CFML, a lot of it's going to look very similar, be very familiar to you.

Jacob Beers

Yep. Yep. And I just want to take a moment to call out a really great quote from Raymond Camden's 'Testing with BoxLang' article. I'm going to read it for you all really quick. This is directly from his article, "Testing your tests because testing is good. So test". Raymond Camden, 2025. Excellent advice. Yeah.

Daniel Garcia

Nice.

Nice.

Nice, nice, nice. So I posted the link to the next article about Algolia.

It looks like it's an AI integration.

Jacob Beers

Over a REST API.

Daniel Garcia

Like, Jacob,

To round out, we do have a series about deploying BoxLang in the cloud led by Oscar Tisnado. Just talks about, it's a whole series that's going to be out there on CFCast, I believe, as well as the BoxLang Academy. If it's not there, it is there. I think because right now all BoxLang content on those sites are, I believe, free.

So you go on there, you might have to register to create an account, but once you have that account, you can watch the content for free.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Yep, I think you're right.

Daniel Garcia

Let's move on to CFML updates.

CFML updates.

So Jacob, you were in Las Vegas recently at Adobe CF Summit, and I kind of wanted to hear your thoughts. Let everyone know what you thought.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, I had a great time. The CF Summit Conference was, it was really great. Actually, I think it was one of the, I think it was even better than last year. So I had a great time and I didn't get to attend as many of the talks as I had wanted to personally. I only got to go to a couple, but I did get to talk to a lot of people who came by our booth or who stopped by after my talk, just to chat with me. And I...

I always tried to ask them what was their favorite session so far. And I had lots and lots of great responses from people. It seemed like everybody had a great time. Actually, consistently people told me that there was like information overload. There was so much great stuff that they were just having to process everything. So I think that by pretty much everybody's measurement, it was a great conference.

Daniel Garcia

That is awesome. Yeah. I heard this. Heard similar things from other people too. That was just so much great content and you do get that with conferences. That's, you know, it's a really good conference is when you kind of walk out there kind of glassy-eyed and information overload. And, I know it'll look well. Cause I see a lot of, come back from ITB a lot. People are walking around like, and same thing with Summit, just so much good stuff. Nice. Yeah. How was the venue with the, cause they changed, used to be.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, absolutely.

Daniel Garcia

Well, it's been a few years since I've been, and I know they had to switch venues and I heard it was a really nice venue too.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, they've actually, so it was at Resort World, which it's been there for at least two years now, but maybe a couple more, yeah. And yeah, it's a great spot. The food is really great there. It's conveniently located with some hotels that are associated with that conference center. So it's a good spot.

Daniel Garcia

Yes, I think, yeah.

Nice, nice, nice, nice. Okay, so moving along. Speaking of Summit, we've got a great blog article from Pete. Summit 2025, 30 years of ColdFusion. Now, if you don't know Pete, Pete is an awesome community member. He's kind of like one of our security experts in the community. It's, if you get a chance to go to any conference, whether it's your Summit or Into The Box or CFCamp or whatever, and you see Pete there.

Take his sessions. It'll be extremely, it might scare you a bit, to be fair, but, be very informative and you'll, say this all the time. Any conference you see Pete, take a session, you see Charlie, take a session. But anyway, though this is talking about Pete, he's got an article about 30 years of ColdFusion and he just talks about returning from Summit where he talked about boosting coverage security.

He's got the slides of his talk listed on his site. So I would definitely go recommend checking that out. If you didn't go to Summit, go check out the slides anyway. He is giving a developer security training, which we're to mention in the events coming up as well. But I can't say enough nice things about Pete. Just one of those people, go read his blog, go read his content. He's got great products like Fixinator and HackMyCF and FuseGuard. And it really...

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

Really worthwhile to get up there.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, absolutely.

Daniel Garcia

Now these next two, Jacob, I don't know if you had a chance to look at the two from Matthew Clemente.

Jacob Beers

But you should take it away.

Daniel Garcia

I'm going to paste the links.

Jacob Beers

Well, I just wanted to give you a chance to because it looks like it's related to Claude and I know you're like this with Claude so. Yeah.

Daniel Garcia

Well, it's Claude, but it's related to AI. And I feel like you're kind of becoming one of our AI people because you're doing a bunch of cool things. So basically, Matthew Clemente wanted to try playing around with Claude. If you don't know, Claude is one of the more popular, I think that's fair to say, AI offerings along with, you know, ChatGPT and Gemini and I don't even know who else, what people use.

Jacob Beers

You.

Daniel Garcia

Personally, I like ChatGPT and I like Claude. And when I do, I use Claude for more development stuff and ChatGPT for other stuff. But, in his articles here, he talks about how to write a quick little ColdFusion page to go through and interact with Claude and make it do some stuff. And so, these get set up, he talks about using prompts.

Because prompts are the way, please correct me if I'm wrong, Jacob. I might not be saying the cool right way of it, but when you interact with these AIs, it's really through a series of prompts where you ask it to do something and it returns something and then you respond back. Kind of like a back and forth chat. Is that a proper way of describing it?

Jacob Beers

No, I think that's a fair characterization. I mean, we have a few other tools at our disposal. Prompts by far are the most, that's the front door of interacting with an AI. So, yeah.

Daniel Garcia

Yep. And so he's talking about getting things set up. Then he had everything set up and then they like changed the, their engine. I think it went from three, five to, to something new or there will be changing it to something new. And so now I had to go through and do some updates on it. And yeah, I definitely check that out.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

Okay. Next, this is a fun one. Ben Nadel talking about why code should have end tags.

And so we always appreciate Ben. He always has lots of insightful, thought-provoking blog posts. And in this one, he's talking about how he's always been a big fan of custom tags, but as you use it more and more, he'd like to see some explicit closing tags. And so there's some tags you have to use with closing tags, but some of them you don't. And so I think he's talking about,

When he sees code, he wants to see the closing.

That's just kind of interesting. Over the years, you can always tell Ben's code because he formats it a very specific way. Although I think it's gotten a little bit better. Back in the day, Jacob, Ben would do a lot of code examples and the way he would put like everything on its own line and you'd get this great code example, it's like, oh, it's got like tons of extra lines. I think somebody, I don't even remember who, even wrote like a De-Nadelizer or something.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Daniel Garcia

That would take Ben's code and strip away everything and compact it up. Yeah, good times, good times. And then finally, this other one from James Moberg, I don't think I even realized he's talking about when using CF scripts, there's a nuance in place with using custom tag CF script.

Jacob Beers

You.

Yeah, that's funny.

Daniel Garcia

James is another blogger that's interesting. He always says something worthwhile to read and he's talking about when you use the, you want to make sure that your tags are only running once. So like for example, he did a custom tag, the tag way, and then he did the script way. And then the tag way, it only ran once. CF, you know, underscore whatever with his parameters, that worked fine. But in script, when he did it, it ran twice because they didn't have a way to break out of it so it only executed once.

So the nuance is that CFM-based custom tags are always executed twice via script. It's not documented. It isn't documented on the only Adobe documentation that discusses it. It's just something that you should be aware of. I don't know if you're really using the custom tag concept in scripts, but if you do, that is something to keep in mind and go check out that article. Yeah, it's one of the things that I wouldn't have even thought about it. And I might've been like, why am I getting duplicates here?

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely.

Daniel Garcia

It's because it doesn't.

Okay, so moving on. We have got some more events coming up. As mentioned earlier, we've got Pete Freitag's ColdFusion security training. It's online, so you don't have to actually go anywhere. Just go online to do it. That's gonna be December 9th, 2025.

I highly recommend, I keep saying, I had a lot with Pete. Highly recommend checking that out. It's not too crazy. I think it's like 600 bucks a student, although that might've been the early bird pricing that might've ended. I'm on a site right now and it's still listed. So maybe they just didn't update the site yet, or maybe he's given people a chance to still get it. I think regular price is 800 either way, it's going to be a hands-on CFML security training class for developers. And so it's going to be like 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. on, it's two days, December 9th and 10th, 11 to two, six hours total. And the class will be recorded as well. So if you do attend but had to like miss part of it, you can also get the recording and you will, if you can't attend, you have full access to it. So I would definitely recommend checking that out.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, absolutely.

Daniel Garcia

Yep. What's coming up in about, let's see what it's to October. Can't believe it's October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May. What's coming up in eight months, Jacob?

Jacob Beers

Into The Box.

Daniel Garcia

Into The Box

And what's special about Into The Box?

Jacob Beers

Well, that is Ortus Solutions' premiere conference where we talk about all things Box.

Daniel Garcia

Yep. You're a man of few words, Jacob, but you don't waste them. I'll say that. I'm probably a little bit too much fluff and you're a little bit to the point.

Jacob Beers

It's all right, balance.

Daniel Garcia

I bet when you write code, you don't write superfluous code either. You're just like, boom.

Jacob Beers

Well, I try?

Daniel Garcia

Hahaha.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, so that's in eight months, but if you go out to the Into The Box website, intothebox.org, you can actually get a very precise counter there that says that it's in 203 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes, and 40 seconds as of right now. And you'll also see that there's a button for call for speakers. So if you're interested in attending, you should definitely go click that button and fill it out.

Daniel Garcia

Yep. Now I hear that we don't have too many speakers yet.

Jacob Beers

Well, I know that we are ringing the gong for internal speakers as well as external ones, but I haven't checked the external speaker metrics. I don't think I'm privy to that information, but we should always use more, yeah.

Daniel Garcia

I haven't checked that either.

Well, internally, cause if you've ever been to Into The Box, we have a series of Ortus people that do presentations on all sorts of fun stuff, good stuff, and then also community. It's really, we get everyone involved and, internally so far, Jacob's the only one that's actually submitted a bunch of topics for consideration. Sorry, I was about scratching my nose. It wasn't implying anything else.

Jacob Beers

You.

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Daniel Garcia

But, so yeah, when they announced and turned to the like, you know, just Jacob, Jacob,

Jacob Beers

Yeah, well honestly, you know, we've been asking for those internal submissions for so long that I'm considering putting even more in. But we'll see.

Daniel Garcia

You should.

I don't know. You can go for the record on how many sessions you can do at one Into The Box. I'm not sure what the record is. Eric might know, two, three, four. I bet it's either Luis, Jon, or Brad that probably did it though, or Eric. Okay. So speaking of Into The Box, we also have the video series on CFCast. If you attended.

Jacob Beers

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, probably.

Daniel Garcia

Online or on-site, ticket holders, you should get access to it. If you don't have it already, reach out. Patreons get free access to the series as a token of our appreciation. You could still purchase it if you really want that content now. It's only $250 for on-demand lifetime access. Then CFCasts subscribers will get access on November 1st.

So if you can wait a few more weeks and you know, I don't know why anyone that could wait a few more weeks for this content, but if you, if you have to, you'll get it. If you subscribe otherwise, you know, go get it now.

Okay. And then, let's see here. Ooh, Hacktoberfest 2025 is still ongoing. If you haven't gone out and gotten your pull requests in, go do it. Go do it really anywhere, but you should be able to do it on many of our Ortus repos. Do your pull requests, do your whatevers. If for some reason you're trying to do it and it's not in there, then you should let us know and we'll make sure that we get that updated for you.

The last thing we've got here is the Inside The Box series is now up and running on CFCast. Do you know what these are, Jacob?

Jacob Beers

Actually, I'm not familiar with these.

Daniel Garcia

You're not familiar with these. How can you not be familiar with these? I'm a little offended that you're not familiar with these.

Jacob Beers

No.

You probably should be. Please enlighten me.

Daniel Garcia

These are,

The Inside The Box stories, insights, and BoxLang perspectives are a series of interviews with different presenters. So people like Jon Clausen, Kevin Wright, Luis Majano, Michael Hayes, Scott Steinbeck, Guust, Tony Shaffer, Sana Ullah, and Ujas Vaghani. And you know what makes this even more special, Jacob? I'm the guy interviewing them all.

Jacob Beers

What? Please tell me.

Nice.

Daniel Garcia

So when you're at Into The Box, as you're going, doing all your, you know, helping Nick get his stuff set up and doing everything else and being cool, I was interviewing a bunch of them. And so, you go check those out. We had some really good conversations, all about, you know, anywhere from five to 10 minutes, depending on who I talked to. And I'm talking about all sorts of stuff. And so was really excited to be able to do that. Spent a lot of time doing some of that stuff. That's why I ended up just doing the workshop with you.

Jacob Beers

Awesome.

Daniel Garcia

Which I thought was fun. And then, was just kind of doing interviews the whole time. And yeah, it was good. It was fun. We'll go check them out. 'Cause I always like seeing myself on camera. I don't, but you know how it is. You kind of like, I don't want to see myself, but it was kind of cool.

Jacob Beers

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Daniel Garcia

But, okay, well, we are getting to be about that time. We just want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you to everyone that's tuned in and watching us live. Thank you. If you're on, whether you're watching us on YouTube or LinkedIn or Twitter or wherever else we have to be streaming at the moment, cause we're still figuring this out. Thank you so much for being a part, having us be a part of your day.

We also want to say thank you to all our Patreon supporters. These are the individuals who are personally supporting our open source initiatives to ensure the great toolings like CommandBox, ForgeBox, ColdBox, ContentBox, TestBox, all the other Boxes, BoxLang. So your contributions fund the cloud infrastructure in our community, that we rely on for things like ForgeBox, which is our package manager with CommandBox.

So you can support us on Patreon and what did they get if they do that, Jacob?

Jacob Beers

They get access to all kinds of goodies. So with the bronze package, you get a ForgeBox Pro and CFCast subscription. You get a profile badge on the community website. You get access to a private forum, as well as the community website. And then you also get a private channel on our BoxTeam Slack, which is very exclusive. Yeah.

Daniel Garcia

That's right. It always feels like we're always kind of talking about new and cool things to be adding to it. So you always see a stick around and you never know what might come up. Maybe you like, you know, win a free consult with Jacob, it'll come to your house and either like help fix your code or maybe mow your lawn or something. I don't know.

Jacob Beers

Yeah, I think we want to give them good prizes for it though. So it's probably why that one's not on the list.

Daniel Garcia

Man, but it could be, it could be. Anyway, so just thank you so much for what you do. If you want to become a Patreon as well, we would love to have you and we would love to thank you there as well. But you can go to ortussolutions.com slash about us sponsors to see all the people that we appreciate and love. Actually, we appreciate and love everybody. What are we talking about? But we, you know, a little bit more of these people as well.

Jacob Beers

Could be.

Especially the Patreon.

Daniel Garcia

Especially.

Been another episode of the Modernize or Die Podcast. If you are checking us out for the first time on some of these other channels, I'm Daniel, this is Jacob. We kind of rotate through some different co-hosts and so you'll definitely see some people. We do it on the first and third Tuesday of the month, the news edition of the Modernize or Die Podcast. We might be having some other things coming out in the future. So thank you to everybody and we'll see you in a few weeks as well. Take care everybody.